I figured out where I was messing up with Sonar and I'm back on track basically you just have to make sure the beat count is right and then looping the clips is easy, I was probably up too late that night lol. I have heard Pro Tools sucks on Windows and that most studios use it on macs, I'm just going to schlog it out as much as I can with Sonar. Reading the Logic manual actually helped because the stuff that I would have to do in Logic was more tedious anyway. It's rare to find one program the does everything you want ... thanks for posting the Acid stuff keep us in the LOOP if you run into any issues with it ...