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i've been practicing this for 3 weeks now since i stumbled upon pebbers youtube channel. i practice open string 1 to 8 subdivisions per beat. i started at 45 bpm and i increased 5 beats per week. so im going at 55 bpm this week. i do 1 subdivision for around 15 minutes on a single string going 2 rounds down and up all strings.
1. is this the way i should do it?
2. some in the forum has mentioned that they practice strokes differently. like 1 session of upstrokes another of downstrokes the alternte picking.
3. im playing in a dance band. we play easty listening music covering from country to rock(not jazz and metal though im into metal and fusion myself. greg howe steve vai etc etc) ive been trying to apply this technique to live playing and i notice im very uncomfortable playing unanchored(8 years of playing the guitar the wrong way). what should i do. i certainly dont want to abandon what im learning from pebber but i do make living out of the band. i know scalpal is the correct way because i have notice the increase of speed in tremolo picking and i manage to playy every note clearly(i used to miss at least 1 note out of 100 before)
should i increase the time i spend on picking exercises?
RE: SCALPEL picking
in PB Guitarstudio FORUMS Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:09 amby pebberbrown • 926 Posts
Ok, I could easily be wrong here, but based on the videos and lessons this is what I've taken from this (I'm still learning)...
1. You are using muscles you've never used before and 3 weeks is nowhere near enough time to have your muscles in your hand built. Because of this you should be doing upstrokes only, downstrokes only, then alternate as 3 separate exercises to build the muscles and build the muscle memory. Do this for 3 months or even 3 years if you want to get it down.
2. Ideally you'd be using this technique in your playing all the time, however, it's just not going to be possible because the muscles aren't built and your muscle memory is using the method you've been using for 8 years. Because of this, when you're playing in your band just play. When you practice, practice the correct method and over-exaggerate the motion. Eventually the practice will creep into your playing naturally, especially if you practice this picking method at home w/ the songs from your band.
3. Lastly, I'd quit trying to increase the BPMs every single week. Speed will come once you have the motion down absolutely perfectly, in perfect time, and ideally able to switch the subdivision number effortlessly. I'd be very surprised if you were making the metronome click disappear in such a short time, but I could be wrong. If you are and are ready to increase the BPMs then ignore this last part.
RE: SCALPEL picking
in PB Guitarstudio FORUMS Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:17 pmby pebberbrown • 926 Posts
Hey Guys,
What do you think about Joe Stump's right hand technique? It looks as if he's combining the sarod and scalpel together here in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GjYkmnY2Fk&feature=related
When he sweeps I can definitely see him switch to a scalpel approach. But I don't know if he's doing a real sarod approach because it looks as if his right hand is resting against the guitar.
Nah....
All wrist(relaxed) plus some thumb pointer type of picking.
Even looked a little bit similar to Mr. Malmsteen.
Sarod is very distinct...watch the forearm of guys who know how to....
its that cylindrical rotational movement that gives it away.
btw....hows everybody doing with sarod?????
“A World Without String Is Chaos”
Randolf Smuntz
Ahhhh, the forearm. I should've thought of that. Thanks FRaKh!
My sarod sucks but its improving. Its been about a month of doing it daily. Each day is a different string (Sunday=string 1, Monday=string 2, etc). I'm still working on my group of 5's from Pebber's DVD. At first it was impossible. I literally had to slow my metronome down to 35 BPM and chant "1 2 3 4 5" (I also use Pebber's "fuck you, fuck you too" meditation as well). It reminds me of learning to ride a bike when I was a kid. I would wobble a bit then find my balance and pedal as much as I can. I'm at about 62 BPM. I've been moving about a beat a day. I find the odd numbers the hardest for me.
RE: SCALPEL picking
in PB Guitarstudio FORUMS Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:09 amby pebberbrown • 926 Posts
Ahh yes the "Fuck you - fuck you too" meditation works quite well and its easy to remember. Thats the one EVERYONE liked to use back in the day at the Grove School of Music back in the late 1970's and early 80's. Frank Zappa used "Guacamole Queen" and my daughter likes "Avacado King." Whatever you use, its supposed to help you LOCK into a steady 5 beat group. 35 on the metronome is no laughing matter - thats exactly where you should start if it feels foreign to you. Good job!
Quote: John567 wrote in post #8
Hey Guys,
What do you think about Joe Stump's right hand technique? It looks as if he's combining the sarod and scalpel together here in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GjYkmnY2Fk&feature=related
When he sweeps I can definitely see him switch to a scalpel approach. But I don't know if he's doing a real sarod approach because it looks as if his right hand is resting against the guitar.
As frakh said, that's all wrist. Some slight scalpel. No sarod. Even Yngwie says he uses scalpel although he doesn't call it that...he calls it "thumb movement" and he says he isn't consciously aware that he's doing it.
Joe and his wife come to New Orleans quite a bit. A buddy of mine ran into him in a bar a couple years ago. My friend said, "Don't I know you?" To which the reply was, "Yeah I'm Joe Stump. I'm the American Yngwie."
Funny
-Ursin
Also Joe Stump uses lots of economy picking. Not just to sweep but to play scales as well. That's why his playing sounds a tiny bit different than Yngwie and kind of has a "blur"? type sound to it. Blur....might not the best adjective. But, anyway, he's a big economy picker and, to me anyway, it changes the feel quite a bit. So, you may hear and notice that as well.
-Ursin
oH MAN YES!
I think a player plays differently with economy.
you have to really...really practice it in order to be comfortable with it to avoid a hiccup effect....
I play completely different with economy than with alternate. I dont like it....my taste.
Its a hiccup effect for me.
BUT!!!
With Sarod.....the speed IS there!!!!
No need for economy....at the same time one could use pull offs as sort of a way to play faster and then reengage picking at easier points...
but thats up to the individual.
At the same time.....learn EVERYTHING...become a MASTER AT EVERYTHING!!!!!!
I like Joe...good player..
you know who Im getting a kick out of....Tosin Abasi...not so much his tech...but his ideas and actual sound settings....Id love to see his equipment!!!!! Some day FRaKh will have goodt studio!
“A World Without String Is Chaos”
Randolf Smuntz
RE: SCALPEL picking
in PB Guitarstudio FORUMS Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:40 pmby pebberbrown • 926 Posts
AhhhhAA,,,,FRaKh forgot...
then...we change to thee yelling method...like thees..
Now we include not just 5s...but 10s!!!
Fuck You.....NO....FUCK YOU!......Fuck ME?.....NOOO...FUCK YOU!!!
and of course the sayingk can be manipulated accordingly...whether you are practicing 5s....10s...7s....ect!
also...fuck this...fuck that..fuck it...and my favorite...fuck her...are very goodt suggestions.
This must be said out loud at a Starbucks...must wear sunglasses as well!
oh...must drink hot coffee on hot day as well!
“A World Without String Is Chaos”
Randolf Smuntz
hhmmm....depends....
If your going to mute....your hand should be on the strings...for the mute.
but
in general....
its up to your tech. I do keep it loose and above the body...most of my forearm is above as well.
The main idea is two parts...
the forearm and the scalpel tech. blended together.
Have you seen the Sarod thread?
I really tried to explain the idea as best as I can. I think your answer will be explained and shown there.
Also....shoot a video..and ask for advise...its no problem. Many on here are exceptional players willing to help!
:)
“A World Without String Is Chaos”
Randolf Smuntz
im still 'trying' to get scalpel picking under my finger frakh. your post helps a lot i didn't know i was supposed to keep my forearm off the body of the guitar. thanks. I'll post video soon. im practicing separate movements (upstrokes, downstrokes and alternate) at a tempo of 45 bpm stroke per beat starting this week. 3 minutes on each string(will increase the time slowly). thanks all. i will definitely practice sarod in the future. after im im comfortable with scalpel picking
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